Jive talking podcast on "our" cyber risks

The other day I had a chat with economics professor David Zetland from University of Leiden. We were talking about cybersecurity, risk, privacy, economics, international politics, societal challenges, and a mixture of all the former. I believe it was quite an interesting chat, let's see what you think! Here it goes.

https://soundcloud.com/jivetalking/154-daniel-kapellmann-zafra-on-our-cyber-risks